Curse

Kusandaa · Aug 21, 2008, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

Meh, armbraces was 100k +stack of ectoe..
Ectos were 14k/ea

Don't personally recall that. DOA came out way after I had my necro's FoW armor (I got it Jan. or Feb. 2006, I'm still searching for the DoA implementation date) and I bought my ectos at 8.5k-9k each, which was a drop from the prices before (I recall them being at 12k-ish at some point).

I do recall, however, the insane amount armbraces reached when DoA was introduced. One of my guildies farmed DoA and said that the prices had gone down from 100k to 75k... for one Titan gem. I've never made the calculation, but the price was ridiculous.

100k+15-30e is a balanced price for the items - easy, rewarding sales, yet not too bad if you wanna buy one anyways.

What I don't understand is that people complain about the economy. I remember when I was in high-school and we were talking about the general economy - what was considered good and bad economies.

A bad economy is where the average people can't even afford basic things: view max armor and max weapons like bread, milk, etc. Remember when sup vigor runes were 90k+ and most people couldn't even dream of affording one, let alone affording a +30hp sword mod? Now that was bad.

A good economy is when the average guy can buy the basic stuff, and some vanity things. Like it is now.

I dunno how you people who complain you can't make money anymore in this game... never made money that fast; since this economy's been relatively stable.

Pleikki · Aug 21, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

Don't personally recall that. DOA came out way after I had my necro's FoW armor (I got it Jan. or Feb. 2006, I'm still searching for the DoA implementation date) and I bought my ectos at 8.5k-9k each, which was a drop from the prices before (I recall them being at 12k-ish at some point).

yeah but they werent in those prices in same time, ectos were 13-14k just before nf release, when nf released Anet changed all Trader prices to lower ones.. ectos were around 8-9kish then

R.Shayne · Aug 21, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

All I am seeing is, “My ecto isn’t worth anything crying thread.” Want to know why your ecto is not 17k anymore? Look up supply vs. demand.

Any of the old timers can tell you they have already decreased the drop rate of ecto, I can remember when a smite run could equal six to eight ecto per run and your only chance of failing was if you lost connection. While 55 had unlimited access to all the ecto they could farm the price of ecto was at its highest, again look up supply vs. demand.

I say just close the thread, I am tired of listening to all the crying.

Dante the Warlord · Aug 21, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Armbraces are going to either increase in value or sell lightning fast when the HoM update rolls around. Im hoping its next month, but many times speculation is false. Either way, Armbraces are a good market to invest in

Amnel Ithtirsol · Aug 21, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

Armbraces are going to either increase in value or sell lightning fast when the HoM update rolls around. Im hoping its next month, but many times speculation is false. Either way, Armbraces are a good market to invest in

Aye.

So delete thread before more people find out.

DarkGanni · Aug 21, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

Anyone other than me think ANet needs to do a little more to better limit ecto drops to help raise the prices back to around where they should be?

Sorry to be rude but WHAT EXACTLY makes you think ecto prices should have a "fixed" price?

People cry about ecto prices because they are used for trading, I don't see players crying about sapphire and ruby prices or other rare materials when it goes down.

Pleikki · Aug 21, 2008, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Well Ectos are aswell used for chaos cloves and obsidian armors, and poor ppl cant afford em so they cry for it

Dante the Warlord · Aug 21, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

Sorry to be rude but WHAT EXACTLY makes you think ecto prices should have a "fixed" price?

People cry about ecto prices because they are used for trading, I don't see players crying about sapphire and ruby prices or other rare materials when it goes down.

Precisely, ectos are just another crafting material. They are only famous because sometime ago someone decided that since it was used on FoW armor, that it was "leet" and that it should be used in trades in 100k+ deals. Since even if the ecto falls it will be worth something to the people who will craft FoW armor.

If anything, the people who bought diamonds when the prices were at 7k each are the ones who should truly be QQing since those are worth barely 1k anymore. Onyx that was sought after before the update is now barely worth anything.. Ectos are just like these materials,. You might as well be saying keep buying ectos from the material trader to increase their prices. There is no way to stop supply and demand... As soon as Guild Wars 2 starts, get ready to see an extreme deflation in everything as much of the community ships out...

What im confused about is why obsidian shards aren't worth more. They are obviously harder to farm now and there are more people running UW HM then FoW HM, if anyone actually succeeds anymore..

Joseph Rejekt · Aug 21, 2008, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by fenix

Pretty sure saying Nerfsanway and Noobsanway doesn't make you cool. I stopped reading after the 2nd one, since I'm going to assume the rest of the OP is just as dumb.

Ecto went up because of the nerf, so less supply. Armbraces went up because HoM will have Torment soon.

In reguards to the quote there, I don't say nerfsanway and noobsanway to sound "cool" I say it as a voice of displeasure for Ursanway in general. I was one of the several out there who refused to line up with groups who wanted only Ursan to hit places like DoA and UW like it was the only thing that worked. By the way, ectos DIDN'T go up. Thus my question as to why after the nerf, ectos haven't risen. Had they rose, I wouldn't be asking why they hadn't risen yet.

With that said, those of you who actually "answered" my questions I thank you. For those of you who were more wanting to spout off about me apparently QQing when I honestly brought up a valid question on a couple things and hadn't had the opportunity to investigate what was going on with the what and the why well, you all obviously showed the kind of character and the people that you all are. Now that I've gotten my answers, this thread can be closed.

Snow Bunny · Aug 21, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Guild Wars has an economy?

No, Guild Wars has some kind of Russian communism going on. Everything's cheap, except for like 4 items that only 2 people can afford.

Pleikki · Aug 21, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

You might as well be saying keep buying ectos from the material trader to increase their prices.

Done that, i got 3 x obsidians and only farmed 3ectos for those & bought around 20 from someone else, rest from trader.

munky · Aug 21, 2008, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

In reguards to the quote there, I don't say nerfsanway and noobsanway to sound "cool" I say it as a voice of displeasure for Ursanway in general.

With that said, those of you who actually "answered" my questions I thank you. For those of you who were more wanting to spout off about me apparently QQing when I honestly brought up a valid question on a couple things and hadn't had the opportunity to investigate what was going on with the what and the why well, you all obviously showed the kind of character and the people that you all are.

sorry but as soon as you say stuff like noobsanway, you lose the lil bit of respect I gave you for being a stranger and not knowing better.

so ya go QQ some more about your ecto stacks.

also why they have not gone up yet might be due the fact that they where used in high end trades as currency, with the price drop people finally got that it was an investment. in that they went up and down, so really expecting your stack of ectos to hold value of a very long time is kinda funny. I mean really do you put that much money into something, lose it, then not feel like blaming something besides your poor investment?

Kusandaa · Aug 21, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

No, Guild Wars has some kind of Russian communism going on. Everything's cheap, except for like 4 items that only 2 people can afford.

So what should the economy be then? I mean, getting everything to expensive levels only fits the uber-rich ones, making a lot of stuff available to people is communism...

This community is hopeless in general. I know you can't make everyone happy but isn't there some sort of middle? >_>

Snow Bunny · Aug 21, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Kusandaa

So what should the economy be then? I mean, getting everything to expensive levels only fits the uber-rich ones, making a lot of stuff available to people is communism...

This community is hopeless in general. I know you can't make everyone happy but isn't there some sort of middle? >_>

Yes. Make it PvP all over the place SO I CAN KILL YOU TAKE YOUR LOOT AND LAUGH AT YOU FROM MY COMPUTER SCREEN.

But, no, not really.

Kusandaa · Aug 21, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Yes. Make it PvP all over the place SO I CAN KILL YOU TAKE YOUR LOOT AND LAUGH AT YOU FROM MY COMPUTER SCREEN.

But, no, not really.

Thanks for proving my point - well if you were serious about this. If it was just sarcasm it still doesn't reply to my question.

What does the mass want to see from the economy?
- Seems they don't want fixed price;
- They want 1337 skins to remain 1337, thus expensive;
- The masses QQs when something drops in price;
- But if it goes up in price it doesn't become affordable anymore, thus more QQs from the community;
- The people who get more money are frowned upon for being scammers (powertraders), dupers or (skill-less) farmers;
- The ones who don't have money are considered n00bs;
- If you don't like something you're automatically jealous because it's apparently too expensive for you;
- If you like something, lol its fugly u nub;
- The casual people want either nothing, or everything on a silver platter.

That's what I get about the general community, about the game's economy. Contradictory stuff.

Joseph Rejekt · Aug 21, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by munky

sorry but as soon as you say stuff like noobsanway, you lose the lil bit of respect I gave you for being a stranger and not knowing better.

so ya go QQ some more about your ecto stacks.

also why they have not gone up yet might be due the fact that they where used in high end trades as currency, with the price drop people finally got that it was an investment. in that they went up and down, so really expecting your stack of ectos to hold value of a very long time is kinda funny. I mean really do you put that much money into something, lose it, then not feel like blaming something besides your poor investment?

I could give a rat as far as whether or not you have any respect for a "stranger who doesn't know better". Not my fault that everyone noobed out and wanted to use nothing but Ursanway to do anything and everything in the game, thus why I call it Noobsanway. Makes absolute perfect sense. Then again, I'm guessing you're one of the ones who LOVED exploiting it for all that it was worth and probably QQ'ed over the fact that it was nerfed anwyay so I forgive you. The continued criticism is unnecessary considering it was a simple question of what and why that I was looking to get some answers to. Why the ectos still low? Market flooded with them yada yada got it. Why the armbraces? HoM and Tormented Weapons yada yada got it. The part about ANet and taking measures, something to stir the pot a bit and get some opinions as well. But I'll let people like you who have nothing better to do other than criticize and critique do what you gotta do to feel better and get you through your day. As I said, I got what I wanted and I thank those who were cool enough to answer said things without being asnine about it. Besides, if you have a problem with people and what QQ'ing they are apparently doing, click that back button there on the top left hand corner of your browser and head to the next forum that might be of better interest to you rather than wasting the time of others.

BenjZee · Aug 21, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

please stop saying noobsanway its making me loose respect for you each time. No doubt the prices of ambraces will rise but as alot of people are stocking up on them now i think it might not make much difference. Ectos rise and fall you just have to accept it, it make take awhiel to 'stabalise'. Whos to set a price for ectos anyway?

Kusandaa you bring up some good points

Especially about own opinions, hey i don't like the look of some so called uber weapons and i expect alot of people have the same views. likewise i love some basic skins

Joseph Rejekt · Aug 21, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen

please stop saying noobsanway its making me loose respect for you each time. No doubt the prices of ambraces will rise but as alot of people are stocking up on them now i think it might not make much difference. Ectos rise and fall you just have to accept it, it make take awhiel to 'stabalise'. Whos to set a price for ectos anyway?

Kusandaa you bring up some good points

Especially about own opinions, hey i don't like the look of some so called uber weapons and i expect alot of people have the same views. likewise i love some basic skins

And why would you lose respect for someone who is using a term to appropriate describe a specific skill/build set? Its just a word. But I guess for those who seemed to have fallen in love with it and now no longer have it and fall in the line of what it was all about would get hurt about it so like the other person, I forgive you. Course, I could care less about whether or not you respect me, after all... we don't even play together and from the sounds of things, I don't think I'd want to anyway.

Jenn · Aug 21, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

I could give a rat as far as whether or not you have any respect for a "stranger who doesn't know better". Not my fault that everyone noobed out and wanted to use nothing but Ursanway to do anything and everything in the game, thus why I call it Noobsanway. Makes absolute perfect sense. Then again, I'm guessing you're one of the ones who LOVED exploiting it for all that it was worth and probably QQ'ed over the fact that it was nerfed anwyay so I forgive you. The continued criticism is unnecessary considering it was a simple question of what and why that I was looking to get some answers to. Why the ectos still low? Market flooded with them yada yada got it. Why the armbraces? HoM and Tormented Weapons yada yada got it. The part about ANet and taking measures, something to stir the pot a bit and get some opinions as well. But I'll let people like you who have nothing better to do other than criticize and critique do what you gotta do to feel better and get you through your day. As I said, I got what I wanted and I thank those who were cool enough to answer said things without being asnine about it. Besides, if you have a problem with people and what QQ'ing they are apparently doing, click that back button there on the top left hand corner of your browser and head to the next forum that might be of better interest to you rather than wasting the time of others.

First.... paragraphs. Lrn2love them.

Second.... the other folk do have a point. You are a joke insulting others about their choice of build because it provides no proof to your quality of playing. When you can prove to us you are in the 5% of the GW population that doesn't suck, you might be entitled to using words like "noobsanway." For now, your retorts sound like they're coming from someone who is 15 years old, or younger (but let me guess, you don't care, and you forgive me for saying that, right?).

As for the main point of this thread, I don't think the armbraces will stay at an "artificially" high price. The prices of Armbraces used to be driven by the supply/demand of gems, and how successful people were at completing DoA. When Armbraces were first being crafted, people could charge 100k+e for a Titan gem, which is why Armbraces were like 200e.

Despite the panick of the Tormented Weapon HoM update, I don't think the price of Armbraces will rise that much (and stay there). People will realize soon enough that gems are still as easy as ever to farm, and that will calm the price down. Yeah, even though Ursan was nerfed, we all know there's going to be a new and equally effective metaway that most players will still be able to do. The beauty of Guild Wars is that after mastering the initial skill to do something, after a while 70% of it becomes button-mashing.

munky · Aug 21, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

I could give a rat as far as whether or not you have any respect for a "stranger who doesn't know better"

um no I was saying I did not know better but ok I guess. and really you think I give a rats ass about what you give a rats ass about?

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

I'm guessing you're one of the ones who LOVED exploiting it for all that it was worth and probably QQ'ed over the fact that it was nerfed anwyay so I forgive you.

um nope only ever really used it once to get trough DoA with my sin for HoM purpose's only, cuz how the hell els was i gona do that? its just funny to me, the shit people say about it. and its really sad that Anet is just going with what ever the nerf happy people bitch about next.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

The continued criticism is unnecessary considering it was a simple question of what and why that I was looking to get some answers to. Why the ectos still low?

the criticism I had was not really about the question, ok your asking a question about the price of things that's all good and cool. but as soon as you try to push your "anyone who used ursan, is a noob" crap that's where I just feel like killing you in the slowest most Painful way.